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I know exactly what you mean cwm. I am still sad too. But I actually think that Adam and Sauli are a lot farther along in the healing process than we are. They have obviously been dealing with it for a long time and for us this is the fourth day!
Hi all the night owls there
cwm, that’s very much how I feel too. I understand the realities, thank you kradamour for your very insightful post! That serial monogamy aspect makes reason in Adam’s case. But still I am a bit sad to let it go, it was so wonderful to see Adam in love. His happiness was so obvious and now I am a little worried what happens if he doesn’t find what he’s looking for.
It is interesting (but also a bit hard) to read so different view points on this issue on different sites. I don’t mean different points of view here but on Twitter and some closed groups, they are so extreme. I see that people reflect so much their own hopes and dreams and needs when they interpret what’s going on. It’s only natural. But it makes me feel very confused. So I think I am on team I honestly don’t know how sad Adam is feeling now or was he reflecting what he’s been through and was this break up more his or Sauli’s will/need.
Now I need to see their “job things”, not social life settings. This all started with music and music I need
A little vintage Adam to shake the sadness for a while!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T78Bk6YaaXg&feature=youtube_gdata_player
If this can’t bring a laugh or at least a smile, then I give up!
Probably NSFW!
Good Morning Nkd! I know you are still here! Am off to work, waiting to see what this week brings.
I too have felt the intellectual connection may not have been there. Never wanted to say it here, though. That is soooooo important! I used to date a truck driver who only liked sports and cartoons where I liked music and CNN. I am a news junkie and he could never understand this.
Some thoughts about the marriage thing and what rs said about intellectual connection.
Also I have had some intuitive feelings about intellectual connection. When I was introduced to Adam, I was hooked by his intelligence and analytic mind & communication skills (I don’t even have to mention his voice and interpretation of music and magnetic charisma, it’s so obvious).
I’ve only learned to know Sauli after that, no more than some of you, and because I was fascinated by their love and relationship. My first feeling was that Sauli’s biggest strengths are social skills with people. Being so nice and kind and caring and loyal for other people. I believe that and his sunny positive attitude and funny humor (he’s a great imitator) are why his fans love him so much and it’s easy to understand. I appreciate him a lot as a person, but it doesn’t make the same strong effect on me than what Adam does for me (and music). I’m not saying he’s not intelligent, but he looks like more carefree person, who doesn’t examine, analyze or worry all the things around him too much (but I think he examines people and characters). He does things in practice, lives healthy and likes to spend time with people. And is adorable in his own way. I can be wrong though about his intellectual depth/interest, I haven’t followed his doings in the past and he doesn’t share his thoughts and feelings in public like Adam.
Anyway, me like many others thought they made each other very happy and complemented each other well. Safe harbor in a complicated celeb life. And I’ve never been enthusiastic about nightclubbing single life style, love and caring relationships warm my heart more. But I just have to let go, it’s their life and happiness, not mine. It’s difficult to know which things are the most important for someone else in relationships, because you never get everything you want and need in one person.
Communication is never easy, whether you speak the same language or not. Based on my own experiences, sometimes I’ve thought it’s very difficult between a man and a woman! BE is not only about language differences, it’s about all communication challenges. Body language can carry far but at some point it may not be enough.
About marriage:
I think I belong to those “out-of-norm” people, who think marriage is not a measure of commitment these days. People can be strongly and truly in love and committed for years and decades without being married. And on the contrary so many people get married and divorce after 2-3 years. In Finland it’s not a rare thing to have a long relationship and also children without being married.
I don’t think Adam or Sauli focus on marriage thoughts at this point of their lives. It’s career time for both, even though they both seem to love children. Both are persons who live in a moment, don’t plan things too much ahead. That’s why I haven’t kept odd that they have said no to it now.
omg nkd that filthy was new to me. It certainly was filthy At some points even too much to my taste But cheered me up anyway, thanks for sharing
I wonder will he be that filthy any more. Boy has matured since those times. But to be honest, I wouldn’t have disliked some sleazier movements in Helsinki, his movements were family friendly. I like the way he moves…
Mornin’ I have read all of yesterdays posts and they are very thoughtful. Nice to see Kradamour back and being her usual eloquent self.
Here’s the thing: everything about Adam has screamed serial monogamy from the word go, starting with the soul mates comment. When he first met Sauli I was consoling a fan who still loved Brad and I actually told her that Adam has a lot of fun in him and probably wouldn’t find his David Furnish until he was ready to settle down some time in his 40’s. Until then, he would have some nice, solid relationships with some great guys but the timing wouldn’t be right.
Somehow, seeing Sauli’s sweetness, I forgot my own advice.
Do you remember Adam answering the marriage question very early in his relationship with Sauli? Sauli tweeted about having to put away his wedding dress. Adam tweeted back “good answer”.
If Adam had met a 26-year-old Sauli in 15 years? Who knows?
If you ask me, somewhere out there is a little boy learning to skateboard. In 15 years, he and Adam will meet up and it will be time. Until then, we will have become very fond of some of Adam’s partners and our hearts will break a little bit every his does.
I have made up my mind not read too much into future relationships. Just to show us how misleading in-depth readings can be: Sons of Midnight played LA on Thursday night. One of them tweeted thanks to Adam for the shout-out. It sounds as though Adam might have attended their concert.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/555540_455628501182224_1030114177_n.jpg
Sometimes people are baring their soul and sometimes a tweet is just a tweet.
Phew nkd, what a nice way to lift our spirits. It has been awhile since I watched this vid and I’d forgotten how much fun it was during GNT to see how carried away Adam would get depending upon the energy of the crowd and the ‘inspiration’ he felt that particular night.
His WAG tour certainly was very “family friendly” compared to GNT. Will be interesting to see what his single status will bring to his performances this spring.
I love the posts re serial monogomy and aely it was very good to hear about your own experience. I have never been successful at making the switch to friend from lover. Admire those who can.
Hey, on Twitter they are asking us to give this Hennessy promo video hits to help Adam’s ratings (in China, I guess). The video features Adam prominently with Pop that Lock.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GceD82SphGI&feature=youtu.be
Btw, nkd, I had never seen that video. Yup, it cheered me up (woweee, I had forgotten how “inspired” he was during GNT!) If he does a more rockish album this time, we could get more action than we did with WAG, but I have a feeling he got most of it out of his system with GNT. An IMPRESSIVE catalogue of erotica……
OMG, nkd!! That was awesome – hope he brings a little of that back next time!!
Let’s face it, the settling down timing is just different for two guys that have no biological clock ticking. We don’t know who initiated the break, or if it was truly a mutual decision,but either one or both of them decided that the other was a great friend but not that person that they cannot live without for a long time. Girls in heterosexual relationships will go through a sort of serial monogamy too, until the clock ticks louder and they have found the guy that they can’t envision living without (and guy feels same way). What is a little puzzling is that Adam has always said that he is on the possessive side and that is what has been an issue in his past relationships – his controlling nature. He likes to be in a committed relationship with one person, because he is possessive/controlling leaning. So unless ADam really decided that Sauli was not truly his soulmate, I suspect it was Sauli, the younger one, that initiated the break. But I think they have been talking about these issues for awhile and mutually agreed that it would not be a public break until Adam was done with his tour and Sauli had his own source of income and a bigger start on his career in the US that might permit him to renew his visa/green card, etc. Ironic that Sauli who wants to live in the US has a job that keeps him here and Adam has a larger career success away from the US that keeps the two of them apart most of the time unless Adam’s partner is willing to just be Adam’s partner and go on the road with him. But only someone that is a US citizen may have that kind of decision freedom, whereas Sauli needed to think of his short and long term future regarding being able to stay in the US.
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Interesting! Sarah Gilbert and Linda Perry are engaged. Who knew?
http://tinyurl.com/bmb73ej
soccermom I agree that Sauli is likely the one who initiated the break and that it was timed to be made public after Adam’s WAG tour. And it is interesting that Sauli began a major gig with a TV program that seems like a promising career opportunity at much the same time. I always remember Adam saying in an early interview when asked what he was afraid of that he was afraid of being alone (in life). I found it very sad and so very honest and it broke my heart to hear that honesty. (How many of us would state that out loud for the world to hear?)THat’s why it was so heartwarming to us fans to see this relationship develop into what appeared to be a strong and loving one. Our BB was OK and happy and in love as he longed for. So it does seem less likely to believe that he was instrumental in this breakup.
There are so many possibilities and several days after the news we are still coming up with more. We’re never going to know for sure unless Adam tells us.
Exactly. We may get some small hints but I don’t think Adam will ever tell. Those pages of his open book are stuck together.
Yes, big guessing games continues little dutchess. I think I have to stop guessing atm or I go cuckoo. I’ll wait and see what happens. I’m glad there is a Pride show on it’s way. I need to see Adam performing. Riskylady and Cher are going, who else?
Talking about Cuckoo, it is again number one on radio TOP 10 in Finland. Adam re-tweeted that too.
I don’t know if this is a newbie here (uploaded 28th Feb 2013), but it’s amazing quality! It’s a full Queenbert show (in one piece) of July 14th in London. I downloaded it before it is taken down (I have a DVD now thanks to jlurk , but just in case ) I put it to that thread too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ejoecEszxqo#!
PS I checked my DVD and I am pretty sure this is the same one! I have probably missed it in my post-concert enthusiasm. So now I have a DVD version and lap top version in 720p
Loved that phrase, nekkid.
And I think it is important to note that it has been a while since Adam said he was afraid of being alone…I also remember that and it seemed so raw and open.
But that was before he had the experience of a longterm, sane and healthy relationship. It is much easier to envision another when there has already been a similar experience. If being alone is still a fear, I suspect that it is not nearly as frightening after Sauli.
For what it is worth, I also agree with the posters who have pointed out that Sauli seems not to be an intellectual giant. When Adam says it ain’t that deep, he means one specific situation. I suspect that for Sauli, “it ain’t that deep” applies to life in general. A wonderful couple of years can come out of that, and personal growth and experience for Adam, but probably not a lifetime. Look at Adam’s inner circle: all of them thoughtful and articulate people with a wide range of interests, talents and experience.
And biological clock, as someone else pointed out? Definitely not an issue for Adam, and he is just at the beginning of his love life, with only two significant relationships to his 31st year. Boy has some living to do.
I was married at 30, and it was definitely too early for me except for the children issue. At 30 I was in a relationship with the perfect father for my children, and that wasn’t something to let go by, but I am sad that I have been married for fully half my life now, and every year will tip the balance more into the married side. I would love to have had more relationship/growth experiences until more toward the end of my life, maybe 50.
Wouldn’t it be great if we could all have a couple of parallel lives to switch in and out of?
Funny. I read an article in the past year, somewhere, I can’t remember where, that said that anthropologists now believe that humans are genetically predisposed to serial monogamy. That means both men and women. The whole concept of mating for life is a relatively recent social convention. in the grand scheme of human evolution.
Maybe that’s why so many of us move on after long relationships.
All I know for sure is this: my relationship with Adam and his music and his intelligence and his wit and his beauty and his …sigh…just everything, is in no way serial. I’m in this one for the long haul.
Also, one more thought, I always looked at the questions about Adam getting married as being in the context of political activism and an agenda by media to have Adam make yet another statement on gay marriage.
There always were three ways to answer the questions: about his current relationship, or about gay marriage in general, or whether he sees himself getting married at all someday.
Does anyone have a link to articles or interviews when he performed in DC at that fundraiser for equality? I seem to remember him saying something wonderful.
I love this…retweeted by Adam
I should add an LOL! He really does crack me up.
Okay, all caught up on blogs, news, etc. Watched taht very very very very naughty video posted above. Once again, something I have never seen, but could name almost every single moment in that video…especially ((( gulp ))) Oslo.
I need a moment.
…Okay. I’m okay…
Such sweet memories.
Now, on to more bad boys. Started up again with Don Draper last night. Now, on to Duchovny and Shameless. Why are all the bad boys on Sunday nights???
LOLOL. Those pics look recent. Napa jacket he wore out the other night, and his new haircut too.
Yes, recent pictures (the haircut). Love it & them!!!!
Oh that picture!! Chokehold!!
That is definitely from Rasputin from the other night. Wonder if they went together, met up there or ran into each other there?
Twitter is gonna blow up.
Wonder what the tweet to Adam was when he said “Him?”
Maybe it was something like “do you ever see Sauli anymore?”
I wonder if Sauli’s moved out yet or still living with him?
Not that it’s any of my business….
( kinda really wanna know…)
Awwright, Duchovny time…
I can tell from the few people I follow on twitter that fans are happy now.Even if they are just friends. I know I am happy to see this!
Those “break-up” pics are so cute, but they bring back a pang of pain that this is supposed to be over when the two can get along like this. I think others don’t get along nearly as well and still stay together for decades.
He’s a bright boy! Knows just how to diffuse the fandom angst and the tabloids.
ITA, nkd! (but I still don’t get it. )
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Dadbert’s take on it?
Haha!
IDK IDK!
lol lol lol lol lol!!!!!!!
Sauli in Vegas
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/p480x480/529391_10151405766571446_61457989_n.jpg
Looks like they’re doing fine!
Now I am confused. Is Sauli in LA or Vegas? Looks like the same jacket from the other photos. Then where is Adam? I had heard Sauli was in Vegas.
It almost looks like Sauli’s picture is superimposed on the other photo with the guys.
There was something about him being in Vegas on Sunday, but I don’t know. Maybe something for his show! Chippendales dancers!
Okay, just got to my hotel in, seriously, I had to think about it, Memphis and catching up. Love the photos, but I have to ask did people really think coffee and bagels was really coffee and bagels? Too funny!!
My ex and I went to the US Open a month after we broke up because it was planned. Had one of our best trips. Could be the same thing. All the stress is gone and you just have a blast!
out of the loop here…where did coffee and bagels come from?